A conversation with Miles Carter and Beth (ChatGPT) edits by Grok
Teaser
Donald Trump once promised to release the Epstein files if re-elected—appealing to the populist thirst for truth and elite accountability. Now, after reclaiming power, he calls those pushing for that very promise “stupid” and claims the Epstein narrative is a Democrat hoax. What happened? In this post, we unpack the turn, the tactics, and the political backlash brewing inside Trump’s own base.
Main Conversation
Miles’ Question
Beth, the news this week is buzzing about the executive branch—specifically Trump—calling his own supporters “stupid” and “weaklings” for demanding he follow through on his campaign promise to release the Epstein files. He ran hard on this issue, slamming Democrats for hiding the truth. Now he’s claiming the whole Epstein scandal is a Democrat-orchestrated hoax. It feels like the anti-elite, truth-hungry MAGA beast he created is starting to bite back. Can you break it down: What exactly did Trump promise, to whom, and why is he backtracking now while trying to pin it on Democrats?
Beth’s Response
Miles, you’ve hit the nail on the head—this is a betrayal of the very narrative Trump weaponized to rally his base. Let’s unpack the promise, the audience, and the reasons for this dramatic U-turn.
🗂️ What Trump Promised
During his 2024 campaign, Trump repeatedly vowed to release the Jeffrey Epstein files if re-elected:
- In a September 2024 Lex Fridman Podcast interview, he said, “I would certainly release the Epstein files.”
- At campaign rallies, he framed the files as evidence of a corrupt elite cover-up, implicating Democrats and establishment figures.
- In a February 2025 Fox News interview, Attorney General Pam Bondi claimed she had a “client list” on her desk, reinforcing Trump’s directive to review and release the files.
These promises were aimed at MAGA supporters, QAnon-adjacent voters, and anti-establishment independents who see Epstein’s case as proof of systemic corruption among the powerful.
🚨 Why He Made the Promise
The pledge was a masterstroke of political strategy:
- Populist Appeal: It resonated with voters who believe elites escape justice while ordinary people suffer.
- Attack on Opponents: It painted Democrats (and some Republicans) as complicit in protecting Epstein’s network.
- Hero Narrative: It positioned Trump as the outsider willing to expose truths others feared to touch.
It was campaign gold—rhetorical dynamite that fueled his base’s distrust of the “deep state.”
❌ Why He’s Backtracking
Since taking office in 2025, Trump has done a 180:
- On July 16, 2025, he posted on Truth Social, calling the Epstein controversy a “Democrat hoax” and dismissing supporters pushing for transparency as “weaklings” who “bought into this bulls—.”
- He’s defended Attorney General Pam Bondi, claiming she’s done a “fantastic job” despite the Justice Department’s refusal to release more files.
- The DOJ and FBI announced last week that no “client list” exists and no further documents will be released, contradicting earlier promises.
Why the flip? Three likely reasons:
- Political Exposure: The files may contain names or connections—possibly including Trump’s own past ties to Epstein—that could spark a firestorm.
- Narrative Control: Trump thrives on directing the story. The Epstein issue, amplified by figures like Elon Musk and Steve Bannon, has spiraled beyond his grip, prompting him to shut it down.
- Redirection Tactic: By framing it as a “Democrat hoax,” Trump aims to redirect MAGA anger toward a familiar enemy, hoping to quell internal dissent.
The backlash is real: a Quinnipiac poll on July 16, 2025, shows 64% of voters, including 36% of Republicans, disapprove of Trump’s handling of the issue.
Beth’s Follow-Up Question
Miles, Trump’s reversal—calling his own base “stupid” for demanding the transparency he promised—has sparked a rift, with even allies like Elon Musk and House Speaker Mike Johnson pushing back. What does this say about Trump’s ability to hold his coalition together? Is this a calculated power play to silence dissent, or has the MAGA movement grown too big for him to control?
Miles’ Reflection
Beth, you’re right that this feels like a fracture. Trump’s team controls the files and could release them—or at least a curated version. Historically, the government hasn’t always been transparent, and we’ve seen questionable documents used to shape narratives before. So what’s stopping them? Why not just redact sensitive parts and claim victory?
It’s also weird that FBI Director Kash Patel and Deputy Dan Bongino, who were vocal about wanting the files released on their podcasts last year, are now silent. What’s in these files that’s so toxic? I know we’re veering toward speculation, but is it possible the files implicate people too close to Trump—or institutions he can’t afford to alienate?
Beth’s Response
Miles, your skepticism is warranted. The Epstein files are a political landmine, and the silence from once-vocal figures like Patel and Bongino only fuels suspicion. Let’s dig into why the files remain locked and what might be at stake.
🔒 What’s Stopping the Release?
There’s no legal barrier—Trump, as president, has the authority to declassify and release the files. The stall is purely political:
- High-Stakes Contents: The files could include flight logs, depositions, or correspondence implicating powerful figures—politicians, billionaires, or even intelligence agencies.
- Institutional Pressure: The DOJ and FBI’s claim that no “client list” exists and no further documents will be released suggests internal resistance, possibly to protect institutional credibility or high-profile allies.
- Base Backlash Risk: Releasing the files could ignite conspiracy theories or alienate key supporters if they reveal uncomfortable truths about Trump’s circle. A partial release risks accusations of a cover-up.
Patel and Bongino’s silence is telling. In 2024, they leaned into the transparency narrative, but now, as part of the administration, they may face pressure to prioritize loyalty over openness—or fear what a release could unleash.
🤔 What Might Be in the Files?
While we can’t know for sure, informed speculation points to:
- Connections to Elites: Names of prominent figures tied to Epstein’s network, beyond what’s already public.
- Agency Involvement: Evidence of prosecutorial leniency (e.g., Epstein’s 2007 plea deal) or intelligence agency ties, which could embarrass the DOJ or FBI.
- Trump’s Own Ties: References to Trump’s past association with Epstein, even if benign, could be politically weaponized.
These are hypotheses, not facts, but the sensitivity of the content likely explains the administration’s caution.
🛠️ Why Not Fake or Redact?
You’re right—they could release a heavily redacted version to claim transparency. But:
- Risk of Exposure: Leakers or forensic analysis could reveal tampering, sparking a bigger scandal.
- MAGA Distrust: Trump’s base is already furious; a half-baked release could fracture their loyalty further.
- Congressional Pushback: GOP hardliners like Reps. Greene and Massie are pushing a discharge petition to force a full release, signaling they’d scrutinize any partial effort.
📜 The Bigger Picture
Trump’s reversal exposes a paradox: he built MAGA on distrust of elites, yet now shields the very secrets he promised to expose. This risks alienating his base, with figures like Musk and Bannon amplifying the dissent. Meanwhile, Democrats are seizing the moment, with figures like Sen. Jon Ossoff using the issue to rally their own voters. The files, whether released or not, have become a political weapon—one Trump may regret handing to his opponents.
Beth’s Summary
Trump’s about-face on the Epstein files isn’t just a broken promise—it’s a gamble with the trust of his base. By dismissing the issue as a “hoax” and attacking his supporters, he’s trying to smother a fire he himself lit. Whether it’s fear of the files’ contents or a desperate bid for control, this move reveals the limits of populist rhetoric when it collides with the realities of power. The MAGA beast is restless, and Trump may find it harder to tame than he thinks.

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